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Welcome to Round Two of the FFXV Kink Meme!

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From: (Anonymous)

Yet another anon butting in on this discussion because this stuff is like crack to me, sorry. I always consider the difference between what someone values and what motivates them.

Hermione, especially 11-year-old Hermione, values booklearning and knowledge and smartness, and holds those values incredibly close to her heart. However, what motivates her is being not just right but righteous - even when she lacked social skills so it came off badly, her desire to follow rules or to help Neville find his lost toad for example were based off wanting to do The Right Thing. She values knowledge because smart people save the world and do great things to help people. Hence, she's a Gryffindor.

On the other side, Luna is super loyal and brave and she definitely values those traits (see: the 'friends' mural) but her driving force will always be knowledge. Bravery is a tool to find out new things. Being loyal to your friends is right and good because they are your partners in the world and you learn together and that makes learning even better. Hence, she's a Ravenclaw.

Prompto values friendship. Prompto values bravery. Prompto values proving himself. Which one motivates him, is the question. Consciously or unconsciously.

Does he value friendship because it gives him a sense of purpose and support, and/or something positive to push himself forward towards? Then he's probably a Slytherin. Does he value it because they help him be brave, and being brave and doing good in the world is the most important thing? Then he's probably a Gryffindor. In both cases, he uses his friendships as personal motivation (which is not to say he doesn't care about his friends, or that he's selfish!! He does and he isn't, whatever house you place him in!).

Does he value it above all else - is he brave only as a tool to help protect his friends? Does he want to improve himself and his life solely as a way to support his friends? If the other things he values are most valuable as tools to support his loyalties, he's probably a Hufflepuff. (Again, this is not to say that only Hufflepuffs love their friends!! All houses love their friends!!!! Hufflepuffs are not The Only House For People With Healthy Friendships!!!! It is perfectly normal for your friends to be a support system and motivating factor and does not mean that you wouldn't kick ass for them at a moment's notice!!!)

I'd personally argue, for example, that Ignis is a Hufflepuff rather than a Ravenclaw for this reason. In my opinion, while he values intelligence hugely, in all its forms, it isn't his motivating factor - it supports his loyalty, and that is the biggest reason it has value to him. But this is still all based on interpretation, hence the three different Prompto interpretations above, so there's no right or wrong answer, just the one that feels most accurate to your interpretation of the character, imo. If you can support it, I can get behind just about any Sorting for any character.

From: (Anonymous)

sa as before

that's actually a really interesting way to look at it, I hadn't thought of that before, and I totally agree with you about Ignis.

However, I disagree that what motivates you entirely decides your placement in the houses, given that Dumbledore wasn't always motivated by doing the right thing (see: his anti-muggle sentiments that only went away with the death of his sister, which was after he left hogwarts). Or even Peter, who was definitely not motivated by doing the right thing (he was even a hatstall between gryffindor and slytherin) and was described as idolizing James and Sirius, which seems more like him valuing those traits rather than what actually motivates him. Also, there's Hermione's "books and cleverness" speech, which shows where those qualities rank in terms of importance to her. Neville, despite being loyal and wanting to do the right thing, only wanted to be in Hufflepuff because he was intimidated by Gryffindor's reputation, which implies that he values those traits but believes himself incapable of them. Also, if they hat was going off of what motivates them you'd probably have a lot more hatstalls, given that it's unlikely that an 11 year old just starting school is going to know with any certainty exactly what motivates them. Also, it has been mentioned that sorting tends to be consistent across families, which makes sense given that families tend to have shared values. A notable exception is Sirius Black, who has extremely different values than the rest of his family (same with Tonks).

I do totally agree with you about any sorting fitting as long as you can support it. Sorting is so subjective.

From: (Anonymous)

anon you're replying to here

That's a good point too! I agree, I don't mean that it's so simple as coming down to a conscious decision or a clear understanding of your own motivations, especially at that age. Like, I think there's an implication that the Hat can see the truth of your heart and motivations beyond what your 11-year-old mind can feel - that's why he's basically narrating Harry's innermost thoughts and desires to him during the Sorting.

And then you factor in the whole concept of 'our choices make us who we are', and that Harry's desperate wish not to be in Slytherin was factored into the choice, and it's definitely a more complex issue. I think the way you act to the hat is also important; I remember someone saying once that Neville arguing mentally with the Hat over which house he'll go to is the most ridiculously Gryffindor thing ever, for example, because that takes a lot of balls that he didn't realise he had! So while I think that motivation, however unconsciously, is the key factor, your choices and actions and possibly an ineffable Magical Sense are also important considerations.

When it comes to Dumbledore, I think he thought he was doing the right thing, though. Remember the extracts we saw of his letters? Grindlewald had talked him into a 'for the muggles' own good' mindset, so it was based on genuine - if deeply fucked up - desire to do good. Hermione's speech basically epitomises what I mean, actually! Like she spends the whole book - and subsequent books after the speech - praising books and taking the smart route etc etc, but when it comes down to it even at age 11 she'll easily emotionally dismiss their importance in favor of the ultimate motivation of heroism and righteousness.

Dumbledore's comment about 'maybe we sort too early' and Peter are interesting concepts, though. There must have been something that made Peter a Gryffindor. Did he idolise the concept of being a hero and genuinely want to be good and live up to his friends, but when the chips fell he just couldn't hack it and became a cowardly shell of his former self? To tie that back to FFXV, would that make Ardyn for example a Gryffindor despite the twisted, selfish villain he became?

From: (Anonymous)

sa

sorry, life got hectic and then dreamwidth wasn’t loading for me

I think part of the difference in opinion we’re having is for a lot of these character their motivations and their values match up pretty exactly, even if their actions don’t always express that XD

I doubt motivation is the key factor though, given that you could argue that at that point Neville’s motivation was just to work hard and avoid the spotlight, and JK Rowling has mentioned that the difference between Gryffindors doing the right thing and Hufflepuffs doing the right thing is that Gryffindors have shades of wanting glory to go with it. Hermione is also motivated to do well in school, but because of her values meaning she wants to do the right thing she often jeopardizes her position in the school (and sometimes with her friends) to do so. And also, why would she emotionally dismiss the importance of books if not for her values? If her motivation is to use books as a means to end to do the right thing, wouldn’t she refer to them that way instead of denouncing their importance in comparison to friendship and bravery altogether? In addition, if motivation were the key factor, that wouldn’t explain why sorting tends to be consistent across families, where your motivation differing from your relatives’ wouldn’t be all that odd, making relatives scattered across houses much more common.

Not to mention it assumes that your motivation remains a consistent enough factor that the sorting hat would consider it a reliable characteristic to judge you on. Given that Neville went from being motivated to remaining at Hogwarts to being motivated to openly fighting death eaters even if it cost him his place at the school and later his life, I doubt it’s as prominent a factor in terms of judging what house you end up at.

Also, Dumbledore’s choices speech was in the specific context of Harry having a lot in common with Voldemort and worrying he would become the same way. He mentions that the hat takes your opinion into account, but Harry was also nearly a hatstall. Look at Neville. His opinion was that he should be in Hufflepuff, which the hat talked him out of, which also nearly made him a hatstall. Your choice is a factor, and Dumbledore’s speech was in the wider context of what you do with your life, not what house you’re sorted into.

As for Peter, JKR has said that “out of cowardice will stand in the shadow of the strongest person” which speaks more to him being motivated by self preservation more than anything else.

I actually do think Ardyn would make a fitting Gryffindor. Again, JKR mentioned that Gryffindors will do the right thing with shades of seeking glory, which seems to fit with Ardyn describing himself as a healer king and how he healed people of the starscourge (doing the right thing) and then being forsaken by the gods (who describe him as the usurper). I think he was doing the right thing, and when denied the glory (combined with being corrupted by the daemons) it pushed him into dark lord territory.